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hello everyone

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and welcome to the antique auction forum

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podcast it's been a little while i'm

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glad to be back

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today with a great guest uh wonderful

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artist

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i've heard the name for many years got

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to meet him this year

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his name is david vickery and uh he

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works from his home in

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cushing maine he's been there working

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there since 1991.

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and uh from his uh his own words

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his work is about the merger of nature

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and culture

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an attempt to make sense of our place in

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the world

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david actually looks at interior spaces

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and our

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imprint on the landscape with an eye

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for the imperfect quirky and sometimes

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uh tape adaptations we make in order to

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i'm gonna have to ask him that david

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welcome to the show hi martin

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thank you for having me yes um so yeah

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it's a crow flies we're

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uh we're i guess uh you know we met this

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we live right near each other and now we

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have a connection too because uh

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wally is your neighbor and um i work

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through

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with his daughter in the appraisal

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business so yeah

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we're all connected this way in that way

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be talking about

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your paintings which are i think are

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absolutely beautiful

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and like i mentioned i heard your name

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before i've seen

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uh display cards and and things over

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over the years

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and uh so you and you have a a really

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following too wouldn't you

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yeah i think so i mean you know enough

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to to have made a living at it

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yeah it's nice and that's uh that's

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for anyone out there who's ever tried to

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make a living as an artist it's not easy

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no it's not an easy thing no in a way

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you can

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it comes to some of the major pieces of

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artists out there it's sort of like a

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rock star

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you know that just very few trickle to

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yeah and you know usually it's talent

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based on both aspects

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yeah not always though no yeah

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so let's hear a little bit about you

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david um what got you started

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in uh painting and your whole background

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yeah well i grew up in connecticut and

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did a lot of drawing and painting in

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elementary school and i remember being

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in a gifted art program

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i think in fourth grade and i was

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copying edward hopper paintings you know

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wow yeah yeah here's an art book you

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know find a painting you like and copy

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it and i wouldn't write to

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edward hopper you know i was like 10

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years old so now i'm still kind of doing

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the same thing today

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you know drawing houses

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in their landscape with you know

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a sense of habitation and melancholy or

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high school i didn't do so much i got

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and edward weston i fell in love with

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that work and i

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fields and took a lot of pictures

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a lot of boring pictures but i learned a

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i spent a lot of time looking at the

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viewfinder trying to force this

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brilliant image and i did that for a

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number of years but then

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college of the atlantic

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in in bar harbor and on a whim i took a

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which i enjoyed and then a watercolor

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course and then a painting course after

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oil painting course and i really got

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from there because i didn't think i

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encouraging and because it's not really

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students so it felt

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safer to kind of to try and maybe not be

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and you know they they just get

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frustrated and want instant results

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but but you you must have i mean look i

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i look and i think i'm going to just

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um and paintings and uh i

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this work here i absolutely love this

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this work

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and it almost seems in a way that you're

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finding colors that don't exist

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seen that blue and

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i i can't make that blue i don't know

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how you make that blue

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kept mixing different colors and

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until i got that shade but i was trying

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to get one of those really sunny dry

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days and the sky is just a really

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deep deep blue and over the years i

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right there but that that's okay i think

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part of it so you know like uh for

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maxfield parish you know painted in many

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you know oh i love his work yeah yeah

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and it's amazing i i got to see one in

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person this last year that

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an unknown one that was just fabulous

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hampshire uh the fountain there it's

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it's still pretty nice there um so i

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i guess uh uh so you went to school and

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you kind of got hooked in it now did you

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do other things you know

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like say work a regular job and painting

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career yeah

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um carpentry you know my dad was a

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builder i grew up working with him so i

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learned all those skills over the years

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thinking of getting in a furniture

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building you know something a little

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too um but then i decided to go with

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actually i had a lower overhead you know

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just canvas and paints and brushes if

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you want to go into woodworking out to

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get a shop and all this expensive

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and oh yeah so i think i was just

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getting having enough success with

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painting that i felt i could you know

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go for it and see if it would work out

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ah working on jobs you know doing

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carpentry now and then

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but i think around 92 i was able to um

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to go full time you know wow

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and uh what what you know i i describe

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um the feeling when selling a painting

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is uh it's not about the money

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feeling that someone else appreciated it

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they liked your idea yeah you want to

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own it and yeah that is a great feeling

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yeah so do you think that a lot of what

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your artwork has to do with your

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experience behind the lens

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yeah pretty much that's a way of of

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world and you can just grab that image

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and hold it there and take it back to

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and um you know work on it over time

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thumbnail sketches a few i've just

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you're not trying to imitate the photo

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that's the photo is just a starting

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point you know that kind of

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nails down all the uh the facts of the

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scene and then from there you can play

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light shadow color and move things

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about photography is there's always

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scene and there's this

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awkward thing sticking in you know when

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the painting you just get rid of all

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there was a broken dead tree behind her

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that i would not have painted that tree

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myself you know right

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through a painting from start to finish

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long ago

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that light was the most important thing

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you know from reading about

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like at hopper and maxfield parish

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that when i started out i like those

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really heavy dense colors

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you know i like the substance but the

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paintings were really murky so it took

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several years to

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get enough light into them you know and

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realize that's that's the most important

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thing

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painting that everyone can relate to

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whatever else you may be trying to say

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if there's really good light

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that's something that everyone can

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appreciate yeah

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yeah and another thing going back to uh

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photographs

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um i uh i i was

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kind of interested to see because i've

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i've handled a number of artists estates

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and

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of times they say that well they never

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use photo photographs but that's totally

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false

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i have found all kinds of photographs in

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artists estates

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where they use the you know they'll

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photo the model uh for reference again

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for reference it's just

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you know little characteristics and

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maybe several poses by that

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artist and they have a whole separate

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pose but it's uh

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um photos have been used for reference

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for artists as long as photos have been

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around

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as far as i know yeah in my experience

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yeah that's what i've read yeah yeah um

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and so you did a lot of drawing when you

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were young

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but would you consider yourself mostly

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self-taught even though you did take

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some classes

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yeah i would say so because it was

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really just two

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college level classes that i had in

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painting

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and then after that it really was being

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self-taught yeah by

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going to galleries and museums and yeah

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you know kept buying art books

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and going through all of art history and

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studying all that

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but yeah a lot of trial and error yeah

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yeah just a lot of frustration and

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mediocre paintings and yeah you have

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just enough success to keep you

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going dangerously

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yeah yeah i want to put

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this uh painting up here for people

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watching on youtube because to me

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i saw this in person this summer and i

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was absolutely

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blown away by this work um and

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what it is for the listener it and you

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can see it on the website again

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it's a campfire scene and i'm telling

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you

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contrasted i mean i can't understand how

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you made that

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looks so much like fire i think it's it

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was just starting with the center

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of the fire you know the being the

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brightest point

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bright yellowish white or whatever and

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then everything gets more orangey

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and red as you go out so it's really

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contrast it's um

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focusing on that bright point everything

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is that much darker

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so you have to make if you want the

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sense of fire you've got to make sure

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you've got some

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pitch black in there or uh darkest value

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that you can get you know it's all

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contrast it's like um

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caravaggio's work very very strong

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contrast

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there was a there was an artist called

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sparks

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have you ever heard of that one it's not

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a california artist he was he was pretty

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good

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at that type of uh that type of work

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williams

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william sparks i think um

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and as i have to say nocturnes are one

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of my favorite

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paintings i when i'm like in a

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museum or something like that uh we

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talked about maxfield parish there's a

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beautiful nocturne he has a

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church in the background and the lights

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in it and inside and everything

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i love knock turns but is that a real

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difficult

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thing to paint yeah yeah it is because

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you're still trying to preserve some

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sense of light

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in it um but everything's kind of dark

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and it's also difficult to mix colors

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because everything is

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is muted there's a lot of grays

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you know the saturation everything is

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really low but you're still trying to

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make things stand out

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um yeah and they usually have a focus

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it's usually contrast with like a

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a bright lighted window and a house

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that's yellow

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and the rest of the scene outside will

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be cool or bluish

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or gray so that there again is strong

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contrast but he has a lot of really

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really

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maddeningly subtle colors

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would you could you consider that like

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the most

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difficult type of painting to uh take on

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challenge well i would say portraits are

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ah i've done four or five portraits and

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they're just

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totally unforgiving yes month

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yeah you know so people will you know

422
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i've got a couple of good ones but they

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took at least four months

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it was kind of reminded me of pushing a

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boulder up a hill just

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wow tiny tiny corrections and um

427
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you know eventually in the end i would

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get something i

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felt was pretty good but it's really

430
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hard but but yeah i would say the

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knockings are

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second to that yeah yeah yeah i

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uh i've always heard that you start with

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the eyes on a portrait is that is that

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so

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um i i i don't i start with the overall

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composition

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and you know strong drawing and like the

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body language

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i see the pose but

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[Music]

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in uh since she starts with the eyes

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and then works out from there yeah so i

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guess it's whatever works for you

445
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yeah i guess there's so many subtle uh

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expressions a person can have over

447
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you know that that you have to try to

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capture i can get that you know animal

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uh like painting a deer or something

450
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standing sideways is a little different

451
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you know you don't have to worry about

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the personality of it so much right

453
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right yeah and

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what type of uh uh clients would you say

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are they from all over

456
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that you have yeah yeah pretty much all

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over the country

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my main gallery is um dowling walsh and

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rocklin but they have clients from all

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over

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you know even a couple paintings went to

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germany i think

463
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yeah pretty much all over but yeah most

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of the us and the eastern

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u.s um i'm going to uh

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put up a picture and we'll have this up

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on the podcast uh

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as a podcast image but this is something

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you have

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you this let's talk about this painting

471
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it's really amazing

472
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and uh i i think you have

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the best shadow shadowing i've ever seen

474
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in a painting it's just amazing

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thanks yeah that's um it's called

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self-portrait with ski patrol and

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in the winter i go skiing up at the

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camden snowball which is about a half an

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hour away and

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i would often take a little camera with

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me just to take snapshots and this was

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one moment i was just

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going up the ski lift and took this

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snapshot as the speed patrol guy scooted

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underneath me

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and as i when i got home and looked at i

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thought that's a really neat scene i

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think i'll try it but i really didn't

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have much confidence because there

490
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wasn't much in it it's like

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there's no horizon or sky and you're

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looking down at the snow and i just

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didn't

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think it could work but as i worked on

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it progressed it you know it started

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turning out pretty good and

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i realized a lot of that was about the

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air and the light and the shadow and

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the sort of substance versus no

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substance

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like the only solid objects or maybe the

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trees

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in the skier and the rest is all shadow

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and

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you know what a good painting can be or

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what can work

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before that i was just focusing on you

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know interesting solid objects the way

509
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you would arrange them but this

510
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it says a lot of air in it and again

511
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it's built up from like a medium gray

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value of snow and then

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highlights um you know where everyone

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has his skied over it

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and it's also what i love is the

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serendipitous moments that i paint from

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just about if you have a camera with you

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can you

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grab that moment of something you never

520
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would have thought of

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you know and it can turn out to be a

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really good painting

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yeah there's a saying it goes something

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like um

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the camera makes a prisoner of the

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present moment i heard that

527
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like years ago and it kind of uh that

528
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does it's like a captured

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moment right there and yeah that ski

530
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patrol guy doesn't even know he's famous

531
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that's right yeah you know that's

532
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uh that's a absolute lovely painting i'm

533
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really uh this is just

534
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quite it just shows that your uh your

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talent

536
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on doing this and i love the way the

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it looks like it was a very well skied

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area

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and then the patrol skier uh is one that

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makes the

541
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most recent marks following up to the

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back of his skis

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so yeah that's really great um

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and that's uh yeah camden snowball we

545
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:42,559
didn't have any snow last year there at

546
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all

547
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:47,600
them up there just went once yeah

548
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yeah yeah yeah um so

549
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what other some i i i had this painting

550
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i saw that you did

551
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too it almost looks like uh a britcher

552
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i'm not sure if you know who that artist

553
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is

554
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oh yeah yeah yeah very kind of a hudson

555
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river

556
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or or trust richards um yeah

557
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yeah very similar absolutely beautiful

558
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is this a local scene

559
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uh yeah that's uh monhegan that's uh

560
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blackhead on monhegan which is a really

561
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famous

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motif which almost everyone is painted

563
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oh okay so let's talk about monhegan you

564
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just got back from there

565
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yeah yeah my girlfriend and i were out

566
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there for a week and

567
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we usually rent a cottage out there for

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a week each year and um

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and i go around and take photos and make

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sketches and

571
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,480
usually come back with two or three

572
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,960
ideas ah yeah

573
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:39,360
yeah that's great been a very famous

574
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:40,640
place for artists for

575
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,400
you know 140 years or so

576
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:47,120
that's right and uh you actually teach

577
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:47,760
out there

578
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,799
right

579
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,039
um no i haven't taught i i did a

580
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,200
residency out there there's oh i'm sorry

581
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,400
that's what it is yeah

582
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,640
yeah the um it used to be called the

583
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,559
carina house residency i think it's just

584
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:01,760
the monegan

585
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:04,960
artist island island residency that was

586
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,400
in 93 and i was out there for six weeks

587
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:10,480
and that's great you know they just give

588
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,679
you a stipend and

589
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,760
six weeks to paint or do anything that

590
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,360
you want

591
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,840
sounds pretty nice yeah yeah it's still

592
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:18,640
going yeah

593
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,760
yeah it's a good good program so

594
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:24,480
when you um you know every artist has

595
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,440
like

596
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,120
as far as i know every artist i've ever

597
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,480
known has like a back room of things

598
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,320
that they never sold or they did early

599
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,760
or that or they like

600
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,080
do you have that type of situation or do

601
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,159
your things all move along

602
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,679
yeah i have a bunch here in the studio

603
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,280
that have haven't sold

604
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,720
some that have been at the gallery for

605
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,320
many years

606
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,640
and they're they're just kind of oddball

607
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,840
or i don't know

608
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,840
too big or something or too expensive

609
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,360
and haven't sold

610
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:53,840
yeah and a couple of older ones yeah one

611
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,669
maybe the second painting i attempted

612
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,840
when i was in in my uh

613
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,000
painting class in in college is one of

614
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,480
my sister standing in front of a house

615
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,679
and that was an oil and i remember

616
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,360
painting that and not knowing how thick

617
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,840
the to put the paint on uh

618
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,200
you're starting out it's like what is

619
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,799
this it's like coming out as thick as

620
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,919
peanut butter and

621
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,880
i just didn't know how thick i wanted to

622
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:20,240
like what am i supposed to do with this

623
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,640
stuff

624
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,600
you know but i gradually ended up with

625
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:24,799
this kind of smooth

626
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,480
almost enamel like surface that i prefer

627
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,880
yeah and is that is that all are all

628
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,799
your paintings well you mentioned layers

629
00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:34,320
are your paintings layers

630
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,880
like glazes yeah yep glazes a lot of

631
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,760
semi-transparent

632
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,640
if i do the moon that'll be all glazed

633
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:43,840
like i'll leave

634
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,960
the moon area pure white when i lay out

635
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,799
the composition

636
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,360
and then just glaze over that to make it

637
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,360
pop out

638
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,880
maybe not so much that one but other

639
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:56,799
moons evening

640
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,240
nighttime moon scenes you know yeah

641
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,480
glaze which i which i got the idea from

642
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,600
reading a maxfield

643
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:06,799
parish book oh really wow he explained

644
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,919
his process of glazing

645
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,159
um a couple of paintings like that where

646
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,880
it's all glazes it's all transparent

647
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:17,440
kind of like like slide film was you

648
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,559
know

649
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,760
but that's really hard it's like a layer

650
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,840
of pure color and then varnish another

651
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,760
layer of pure color

652
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,799
uh very difficult wow and so you're

653
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,200
talking about varnishes in between

654
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,760
yeah yeah although the only thing i use

655
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,640
for varnish

656
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,440
now is liquin windsor newton it's the

657
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:38,880
alkyd resin

658
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:41,840
that's the only medium that i use but

659
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:42,480
yeah

660
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,120
dries a little quicker

661
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,600
too i believe yeah yeah it helps the

662
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,640
process move along

663
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,120
it like at the end of the day here's

664
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,200
another moon i just put up here

665
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:56,960
yeah that's a good example where this

666
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,840
the moon itself is all glazed and thin

667
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,279
layers of yellow and the rest of the

668
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:03,679
painting is all like opaque

669
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:06,960
you know dark heavy heavy color

670
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,480
so that allows the moon to pop out well

671
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,720
use opaque yellows and whites in the

672
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,320
moon it's not going to be quite as

673
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,840
bright

674
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,679
now maybe i'm talking a little more

675
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,200
technical than the average listener

676
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,640
would care to hear but

677
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,200
uh i do want to ask this when you do

678
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,279
something like this how

679
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:28,320
is it is the tree line

680
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,600
last or is this all done together

681
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,919
um the tree line over the moon i should

682
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,120
say

683
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,400
yeah that was all pretty much done

684
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,159
together

685
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,080
i think the tree line was lower when i

686
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,080
started and as i got finished i

687
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,960
gradually kind of crept up the trees to

688
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,320
make those shapes a little more

689
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,919
interesting

690
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:50,880
ah wow with heavy opaque you know

691
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,200
because

692
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,279
um that's kind of an important part

693
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,720
where the the sun

694
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,320
the bright light from the moon is kind

695
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,200
of bursting through those branches and

696
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,760
tried to make that interesting yeah and

697
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,640
i see that you

698
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,559
you've had the moon in a number of your

699
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:06,799
paintings yeah and

700
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,919
one of them i think i saw uh

701
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,360
this is a i think i saw one you had one

702
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:15,200
you sold it right away this summer am i

703
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,440
am i right about that um this one here

704
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,440
no another one you had to the moon i was

705
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,720
trying to put it up on the

706
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,640
screen there's a reflection in the water

707
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:25,919
below it

708
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,440
oh yeah yep yeah that was a isla ho yes

709
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,200
yeah yeah yeah a woman bought that this

710
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,000
summer i think the day that i put it up

711
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:36,159
yeah that's what i remember yeah that

712
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,440
was nice

713
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:40,640
yeah it's nice when that happens so have

714
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:41,279
you ever

715
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,840
experiment outside of your

716
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,400
comfort zone when it comes to your style

717
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,480
or do you just stick with what you're

718
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279
doing sorry my screen's flashing here

719
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:55,039
yeah i kind of stick

720
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,120
oh yeah i pretty much stuck with that

721
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,600
style i think it's like a long-term

722
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,679
evolution of of gradually learning and

723
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,520
improving

724
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,799
and perfecting that that style i i'm

725
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,720
happy with that

726
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,760
and um i haven't really felt the need

727
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,039
to yeah yeah well uh

728
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,080
it works it works very well and

729
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,320
um what are some of the projects you're

730
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,480
working on now

731
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,400
well right behind me is from uh last

732
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,000
week's montegan trip

733
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
i don't know if you can see okay yeah

734
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,960
just there was a just a snapshot there's

735
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,960
a guy fixing his house

736
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,320
there was some work being done in these

737
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:37,679
gables in the house in the center of

738
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,080
town

739
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,400
and from that snapshot i kind of

740
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,080
recomposed it and i don't know if you

741
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,919
can see here i'm

742
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,880
that panel which is coated with burnt

743
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,360
sienna that's always the base that i use

744
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,600
yeah and i've just been working on the

745
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:53,120
architectural

746
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,440
drawing part of that right now um

747
00:27:00,789 --> 00:27:00,320
and so that's um that's the scene that's

748
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:00,799
that

749
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:05,360
at this other one behind me there's one

750
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:06,000
of a

751
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,710
yeah since you got the camera right

752
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:16,400
there in front of you yeah all right

753
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,039
here's one

754
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,159
wow maybe half done um

755
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:23,039
i like working with whites and you know

756
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,919
light and shadow

757
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,559
and that's sort of a trump loy yeah i'll

758
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,520
say it is

759
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,080
yeah and so that's i don't know halfway

760
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,440
along

761
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:34,320
so that you know that's what's happening

762
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,880
and that was

763
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,480
again from a snapshot just walking

764
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,919
around something grabs your attention

765
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,000
you're like oh maybe that can work

766
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,799
wow i like the challenge of that it's

767
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:44,240
always

768
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,430
you know there's what do the underwire

769
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,679
say there's you'll start with a half an

770
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:54,960
inch of an idea

771
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,159
you know when you in the past from there

772
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,440
yeah yeah well yeah that's that's really

773
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,960
good uh

774
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,520
i love that type of work uh i i'm i'm

775
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,799
jealous of that

776
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,159
look how long does it take you to

777
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,919
let's say let's just pull this this

778
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,000
painting up to make this painting look

779
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,640
as beautiful as it is it's just gorgeous

780
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,960
uh how much time do you have in a piece

781
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,080
like this

782
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,120
that would be about three weeks i think

783
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,159
yeah wow yeah two to three weeks

784
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:29,120
a lot of time was spent drawing out the

785
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,080
um

786
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,440
the rock the geology trying to get it

787
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,799
somewhat accurate um

788
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
you know looking at it now i probably

789
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:40,320
could have spent more time but

790
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,919
um i think yeah like yeah you were

791
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,520
talking about the artist you knew just

792
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,760
who can't paint loosely and i can't seem

793
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,640
to either i like all those details

794
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,720
everything in there is important and i

795
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,720
think that all adds to

796
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,640
you know whatever it is that inspired

797
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,720
you because all that little stuff in

798
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,919
there of course the hard thing is to

799
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:01,919
make it all work together

800
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,360
so that it doesn't all crumble right

801
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,679
um i'm going to ask you kind of a funny

802
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:08,720
question

803
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,159
do you know when you're done yeah yeah

804
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,919
yeah there's a point where you just

805
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,320
can't really improve it anymore

806
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,559
yeah where you're tweaking this little

807
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,320
part and that little part

808
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,720
and then you'll take a photo and it

809
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,520
didn't

810
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,039
previous photo

811
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,720
and i think and that's that's an

812
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,000
important part of the process is

813
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,840
photographing the painting

814
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,919
when you think you're done and it'll

815
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,240
take a snapshot and it looks terrible

816
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,399
because the camera doesn't lie it's like

817
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:39,600
oh geez

818
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:42,320
yeah so i've actually seen that before

819
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
and

820
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
the stuff that i do i'm not saying you

821
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,640
know i i call myself a painter and i'll

822
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,240
call myself an artist but

823
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,000
i i'll take a picture of something and

824
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:52,799
say oh geez i didn't even notice that or

825
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,000
but you can see it in a photo somehow

826
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,320
exactly it's terrible i know it's like i

827
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,320
delude myself a lot of the time

828
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,720
because maybe after three weeks you want

829
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,640
to be done and you think it's brilliant

830
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:05,520
but

831
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,440
yeah it doesn't let you off easy

832
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,640
um i heard an abstract artist say um

833
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,080
let's see

834
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:16,000
don't worry about how you're gonna start

835
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:17,360
just worry about how you're gonna

836
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,360
end yeah i can see that in abstract work

837
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,799
for sure yeah yeah i also could test it

838
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,760
like

839
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,279
putting the painting at a distance i'll

840
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,440
lean it up against my garage like 100

841
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,120
feet away and you know turn it upside

842
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,120
down look at it in the mirror

843
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,679
you know those tricks yeah i remember my

844
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:36,559
dad when he

845
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:40,240
he he went uh he trained under an artist

846
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,480
uh

847
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,760
years ago in the 60s and you know they

848
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,559
started by

849
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,480
doing all the drawings upside down like

850
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,799
an upside down bottle

851
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,559
you know just so you can train your eye

852
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:52,559
to see the

853
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,919
object and not try to make it an object

854
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,080
you know what i mean see the lines oh

855
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,039
yeah yeah just as a as a flat

856
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:03,039
composition or design yeah that's that's

857
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,080
a good idea

858
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:07,039
right right do you have a do you ever do

859
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,080
any types of

860
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:10,480
like a series do you run in a series or

861
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,279
you just

862
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,919
is it like a one sort of random idea

863
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,279
after another

864
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,360
yeah it's mostly one random idea after

865
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,279
another i've tried to do a series

866
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,279
and i i after the second or third

867
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:22,720
painting i get

868
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:26,720
tired of it it becomes kind of onerous

869
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,840
you're stuck with that idea yes the only

870
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,200
consistent thing would be the moon

871
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,960
paintings which

872
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,480
i find that subject really really

873
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,559
compelling even i mean it's very common

874
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,399
and kind of a cliche but i still think

875
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,679
it's a

876
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,480
you know very compelling subject a lot

877
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,840
of depth to it

878
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,720
yeah yeah i love those paintings and uh

879
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,080
i hope you do

880
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:52,000
much it's been a it's been a real

881
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:52,880
pleasure

882
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,120
oh sure and so let's uh remind

883
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,200
the audience they can go to dvickery.com

884
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,960
and that's where your paintings are

885
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,039
right yep

886
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,480
yep the dowling walsh gallery website

887
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,240
will have my work there too

888
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,360
and where is that and and rocklin yep

889
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,799
main street rockland

890
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,519
i think it's just dallywalsh.com i've

891
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,120
also started showing at uh

892
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,679
bernay fine art in great barrington

893
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:23,360
massachusetts

894
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,120
ah seven pieces of mine now uh-huh

895
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,760
excellent well thank you very much david

896
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:31,120
sure thank you martin